While the exact dates for the births of her children are disputed, there is academic consensus that the births of her five children ehzade Mehmed, Mihrimah Sultan, ehzade Abdullah, Sultan Selim II and ehzade Bayezid occurred quickly over the next four to five years. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. Her love of poetry is considered one of the reasons behind her being heavily favoured by Suleiman, who was a great admirer of poetry. Likewise Abdullah Frres's children were not slaves by nature. [i][11], Shaykh Qutb al-Din al-Nahrawali, a Meccan religious figure, who visited Istanbul in late 1557, noted in his memoirs that Hurrem Sultan was of Ruthenian origin. .mw-parser-output .brokenref{display:none}Cite error: There are tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=note}} template (see the help page). 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Excuse me one more time. Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. Mihrimah Sultan was born in 1522 as the daughter of Sultan Soliman the Magnificent and Roxelana. Bas kadin literally means "Head Woman", and if this "head woman" status didn't exist at that time then why she has been referred as "Ba kadin" or Birinci kadin by numerous books? Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. For the record, you still failed to answer my question, rephrasing; why in some theatre plays she's the only Hatun ranked consort who is erroneously addressed like Sultana? You can infer and speculate and theorize all you want, but history is history and I find it highly disrespectful and arrogant that you think your abstractions are worth more than the reality of events. Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. Her full name was Glbahar Mahidevran Sultan 1 due to her great beauty; Glbahar means rose of the spring and Mahidevran means the most beautiful in all. We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. And you Sir, just decided to crash in and make an edit. These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. [22] It was only possible for Hurrem to marry Suleiman after the death of Hafsa Sultan. Hatun is not a Title at all. The Ringling Museum in Sarasota, Florida, purchased the original or a copy around 1930. Best. Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m [4] Among the Ottomans, she was known mainly as Haseki Hurrem Sultan or Hurrem Haseki Sultan. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. [6][7][8] Her native language was Ruthenian, the precursor to modern Ukrainian. She wrote many love letters to Suleiman when he was away for campaigns. Mahidevran madegreat efforts to protect her only son from assassinations, but she could not prevent his death. Hurrem and Mahidevran were 2 main consorts. Please be fair. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. For Ukrainian language novels, see Osyp Nazaruk (1930) (English translation is available). p. 401. According to reports of theVenetian ambassador, Mustafa was the whole joy in his mothers life, and Mahidevran was a highly effective figure in her sons court. Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. Timaru, 7910 In the 2003 TV miniseries, Hrrem Sultan, she was played by Turkish actress and singer Glben Ergen. [20] She pleads with the King to trust her envoy Hassan Aa who took another message from her by word of mouth. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. You completely twisted the question and answered what I didn't ask. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. (besides, you don't mention Turkish among the languages you speak)--Phso2 (talk) 10:22, 25 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Word Birinci Kadin means "First Lady" as in (respected) wife of reigning king, not "First Woman". And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. Marvin died of natural causes after reportedly being hospitalized after experiencing chest pains On 13th March 2021, Marvin Hagler unexpectedly passed away in his New Hampshire home. The cast and crew are taking to the boards asPiraticus Rexopens at The Playhouse this week. "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. Pathetic joke!! The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. Friday Social Amazing volunteers host Christmas dinner. [33] It is also rumored that Hurrem Sultan conspired against Mustafa with the help of her daughter and son-in-law Rustem Pasha; they wanted to portray Mustafa as a traitor who secretly contacted the Shah of Iran. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? Also note the rank Kadin or Birinci Kadin ended with Mahidevran, this rank changed to Haseki Sultan (logically this is what happened). Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. Circassian or Albanian? In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. :P Well, like I said, all these efforts prove nothing but if you are convinced read may latest comments on my last reply; "you may add the word slave to Origins if you are still convinced but must also use the term "possibly" along with it to maintain a NPOV." ?--Phso2 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. Osmanl tarihi, Volume 2. In the Istanbul harem, Hurrem became a rival to Mahidevran and her influence over the sultan soon became legendary. [38] She built a public soup kitchen in Makkah.[11]. [30], Mustafa was supported by Ibrahim Pasha, who became Suleiman's grand vizier in 1523. She often suffered from lack of money 2 until Suleimans death; Sultan Selim II later increased her income to help her. Mahidevran and Mustafa lost one more time, now Selim (the second son of Hrrem) became the governor of the Manisa. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. [40] Her mausoleum is adjacent to Suleiman's, a separate and more somber domed structure, at the courtyard of the Sleymaniye Mosque. While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. Also, why does these History Books (not popular history books) referred her as Sultan? Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox priest, Hurrem was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken to Istanbul, the Ottoman capital. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. Simply put, a natural death is one that occurs due to an internal factor that causes the body to shut down, such as cancer, heart disease or diabetes. During those decades the Venetian Republic was following the Ottoman dynastic news closely due to their close links with the empire. Worldandhistory (talk) 00:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], You did not answer my first point, no where in the article does it say she belonged to a noble family, the article is now free from any claims of her being scion, the article simply focuses on her origins. All other depictions of Hurrem, starting with comments by sixteenth and seventeenth-century Ottoman historians as well as by European diplomats, observers, and travellers, are highly derivative and speculative in nature. "Sultan" had many meanings throughout history and did reflect the status and the way of interacting of the times; if we want to accurately depict history then, at last, she's a "hatun". In Albenian Glbahar means Rosne Pravnere. Before Hrrem Sultan, every consort was called hatun. Mahidevran Sultan probably had a stillborn child or short-lived daughter somewhere between 1521 and 1524. I even request the deletion of dubious page of her alleged father but you are not admitting that you may be wrong here. Instead, he attended it. Mustafa became verypopular in the region under the guidance of his mother. Muradiye complex. It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu. Hope you understand. Burial. In rare cases, an autopsy needs to be performed by a pathologist. Let's figure it out.#sultantv #ottomanempire #magnificentcentury #ottomanempirehistory [11], Even the reports of the Venetian ambassadors (baili) at Suleiman's court, the most extensive and objective first-hand Western source on Hurrem to date, were often filled with the authors own interpretations of the harem rumours. Nedim Ardoa (talk) 08:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply], The page Mahidevran Sultan should be moved to Mahidevran Glbahar Hatun because Mahidevran was never a concubine or a Haseki Sultan and Hrrem Sultan was the first Haseki Sultan.--Retrieverlove 1:09, 22 June 2014, According to Leslie P. Peirce, prior to the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hrrem Sultan, all the Ottoman consorts carried an alternative royal title, "Hatun".But Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. [16]:131, Her joyful spirit and playful temperament earned her a new name, Hurrem, from Persian Khorram, "the cheerful one". I request moderators to change the title of this page to "Mahidevran" only and if they find it pertinent as well, to retain the speculations in a subtopic within the page. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. 256 0 15. Whatever the case, the result was bitter for Mahidevran; Suleiman started to neglect her as punishment. Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. Interviews of "alleged descendant" are not reliable sources for an history article, and the burden of demonstrating their reliability falls upon the editor who want to introduce them, as is written at WP:INTERVIEWS. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. It is also stated that before "Haseki Sultan" all concubines used the title hatun. In one of her letters, she wrote: Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan: "Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight. 18th century portrait of Hurrem Sultan kept at Topkap Palace. She learns about the pregnancy of Nigar Kalfa through Gulsah and she informs Hatice Sultan of his husband's unfaithfulness. [33] Her rehabilitation had been possible after the death of Hurrem in 1558. In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. If he still insists, he can bring the source at the reliable sources noticeboard and ask for an opinion there. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. But at the end of the day, that's all irrelevant. She was presented to Suleiman when he was still a prince. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Therefore, Suleiman had to announce that he sent Mustafa to the Persian border for safety reasons. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? Moreover, remaining in Istanbul, she moved out of the harem located in the Old Palace (Eski Saray) and permanently moved into the Topkap Palace after a fire destroyed the old harem. Best:) - Worldandhistory (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mahidevran Sultan in Trke Bilgi = tr:Meahidevran Sultan in Turkish Wikipedia. Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. 1581 deaths. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. [4] Hurrem's influence on Suleiman was so significant that rumors circulated around the Ottoman court that the sultan had been bewitched.[5]. The references you've cited present a clear inconsistency with defined Ottoman titles and therefore they are invalid.190.218.117.86 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], This is the point, whether she was a main wife or not. Empress of the East: How a European Slave Girl Became Queen of the Ottoman Empire. Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.203.190.128 (talk) 20:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2 Hi, I am Worldandhistory. Something that interests me is how a popular notion can sound very appealing. First of all, many claims as to what happened in the harem are comple Above all, her being mother of heir apparent is not a popular culture but a fact. And for your info, they all married the sultan and were legal wives, and those that weren't married were called hatun. According to a source he was executed that very year on charges of planning to dethrone his father; his guilt for the treason of which he was accused remains neither proven nor disproven. This article is literally the ONLY one in wikipedia to call a hatun a sultana. [16]:132, Many years later, towards the end of Suleiman's long reign, the rivalry between his sons became evident. Interviews are constantly being used in Wikipedia for every notable person, why neglect this one? She built numerous mosques, madrasahs, hammams, and resting places for pilgrims travelling to the Islamic holy city of Makkah. If you all come to an agreement earlier let me know. Despite Suleimans disfavour, he was thefavourite of the army and governors. Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. I am giving you answer about Mahidevran Sultan's rank.According to reliable sources it is confirmed that Mahidevran Sultan was Suleiman's Bas kadin(chief consort or chief lady).This was for those women who bore the eldest male child of reigning Sultan.As Mahidevran Sultan was the mother of Sehzade Mustafa,eldest son of Suleiman the magnificent,it is very logical that she held the rank Bas kadin or Birinci Kadin,it's from me which is logical. This King (Sultan) did not have many successors left by 1511, for his only surviving son was Prince Sulieman (who later became Suleiman the Magnificent). 113.203.158.58 (talk) 00:23, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I request a change of title, to revert it back to its original name (which was only "Mahidevran") and maintain its protected status. Former lover of Sultan Suleiman.But who was she before? Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. WebMihrimah Sultan (1522 - January 25, 1578) was the daughter of the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent and his wife Hrrem Sultan. After the death of Suleiman's other sons and his ascension to the throne in 1520 she acquired the rank of mother of the Sultan's eldest son. Mahidevran's name ( Turkish pronunciation: [mahidevan], Persian: ) means "one who is always beautiful", "one whose beauty never fades" or "beauty of the times" in Persian. Sorry, but the page you are looking for doesn't exist. [11] She was to bear the majority of Suleiman's children. It is clear by your statement that you're being subjective about this: you're looking for an excuse rather than solid facts to call Mahidevran a sultana. [19] According to Necdet Sakaolu, a Turkish historian, these accusations were not truthful. I shall wait for your response until few days then revert your changes, if you are unable to prove that this "Abdullah" was indeed a slave and not a free person, in which case, M would have been a "gifted wife" (married to S not legally but rather tough Nikah 'urfi). In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. 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